", "Moses permitted you . Adultery? If a man died leaving Here are just a few verses that show you God’s willingness to forgive: 1 John 1:9 reads, “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.”, 2 Chronicles 7:14, “If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.”, Isaiah 55:7, “Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord, and he will have mercy on him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.”, Proverbs 28:13, “He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.”. family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. Does the Bible say you have to have kids. What a lot of people don’t realize is that sex is not just something that is to be done casually for temporary pleasure. 3)being a “true Christian” means worshiping or following Jesus Christ and/or his teaching. Interesting points, I’ll think about them. and we cannot just decide what parts of scripture that we want to throw out because it “doesn’t seem right” to us. marriage contract has been unilaterally broken. […] Does the Bible say I have to get married? They want to live their new lives together according to Him & they understand the importance of having God’s blessing on their lives, BUT they are still unclear on this one issue! One way is the term “fornication.” If you looked in a dictionary for the definition of the word fornication, you would read, “Sexual intercourse between a man and a woman who are not married to each other.” And another way that pre-marital sex is described in the Bible is with the words “adultery” or “lewdness.” And the people who participate in pre-marital sex are referred to as “whoremongers” and “whores.”. 6 American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, "Children They are both Christian, but have a hard time understanding that it is a sin before God when people who are gay might not be able to help what they feel or how they feel. What income would you need to make, in order to feel comfortable getting off of government benefits? You don’t have to answer to me or any man or woman but you will one day answer to God. We require other things — things which may not be Biblically mandated, things where we may have Christian (and cultural and societal) liberty; but where society has spoken and has a set ritual for what is and is not a legal marriage, then I don’t think we have a Biblical excuse to avoid that, since it is certainly not a sin to go before a preacher or judge and say, “I do.”. Then you can have as much sex with your spouse as you like. If you have truly been washed in Christ’s blood, then you should no longer be living for yourself, but instead you should be living to glorify God. 7 say that the remedy “to avoid fornication” is for a man to have a wife, and for a woman to have a husband? May God bless you. But if she is separated from him, let her remain Why would God call it sin if it isn’t bad for us in any other way than he just says it is? The bible tells us “not to lean on our own understanding, but to trust in Him and He will make our paths straight.” God loves us, and if he says homosexuality is wrong, then He must have a perfect plan for the individual who trusts in Him and asks for His help regarding that situation. nonconsensual act would be allowable. And large crowds followed him, and he healed them there. 110, No. Would this women be considered defiled and if she was to marry, would this be considered an abomination to The Lord? The purpose served in the marriage ceremony is no longer working. I can understand how scary it is to leave the financial safety that the government appears to provide. If you *are* talking about not being able to afford a ceremony, then skip the ceremony and go to the courthouse. Stay strong in what you know to be right. Tricky question, but I think it comes down to, “are they married, or not?” If they are, then they can feel free to have a sexual/marital relationship; if not, they shouldn’t. Frequent grounds for annulment include "lack of due discretion" Romans 14:13-14). 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 reads, “What! from the beginning. What if the couple was married, then divorced, but continue to live together as though they are married? And if a virgin gets married, she has not sinned. to respect her husband and to serve as his helper in managing the household Change ). Just read your so-call bible and you will see that if a man had sex with a virgin it was abomination.. Kathy, you have a gift. No other grounds for divorce are mentioned in the New Testament. Apparently, there is some disagreement among Christians about just what all is entailed in the term “fornication”, but at a bare minimum, it must include premarital sex, since Jesus Christ was accused by detractors of having been born of fornication, since His conception preceded Joseph and Mary’s wedding. notable polygamist with his 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3-4). When Jesus met with the prostitute (Mary Magdalene, I believe), He said, “Go and SIN NO MORE,” not, “Go and keep on sinning and I’ll forgive you because you had a rough childhood.” But if you (in your “gospel according to me”) give people the right to disobey the Bible in sexual matters if they were molested, do you also give people the right to lie, if they were brought up by liars, or had ever been lied to; or to steal if they were brought up by thieves, or had something stolen from them? However, the Bible actually does take a different view. I just happened to think of a passage in at least one of the gospels, in which the scribes or Pharisees taunted Jesus for having been conceived prior to marriage. I thought fornication just defined acts of sexual pleasure without the meaning of love or the purpose of marriage behind it. Parents are to teach their children spiritual and moral values and to lead them, Divorce does not preclude a new marriage. You may even rob yourself of the ability to have a fulfilling sexual relationship in the future when you do get married. It is good to guide people in doing the right thing. She was not considered as having been married by having had sex, but was considered as having sinned for having unmarried sex. Since there is nothing in the Bible implying that it is wrong to be married according to the laws of our nation/people/customs, but rather the implication is that any marriage would be recognized by those around us and would be legal, I do not see any scriptural reason for those who claim to believe and follow the Bible to cast off the legal and societal recognition of marriage. A man and woman can declare their love and committment to one another before/to God and then live that out. Why have a marriage license at all? Since you obviously have not read much/any of what I and others have said before in the post and ensuing comments, I figure I’m wasting my breath/typing, but I will link to this post which I think sums up the Biblical argument fairly well and succinctly. Your source of content is very clear. but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife . 1 Michael R. Cosby, Sex in the Bible, Prentice-Hall, In whatever form the marriage ceremony took in that day, whether it was a big feast, or the couple made vows, or the woman’s father presented her to the man and he took her into his tent, it was not until that happened, that they were legally considered to be married. In John 14:15 Jesus said, “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” And 1 John 2:3-5 reads, “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. The Bible tells us that no matter how bad we think we are or how much we have already sinned, God is able to forgive us and make us whole again if we only confess our sins to him and repent or turn from them. The marriage relationship models the way God relates to His people. He has given us standards to follow because He wants to save us from ourselves and from the pain we can bring to our lives. However, an She said if she gets re-married, then her schooling will cost more. Best of all, you both appear to want to serve our loving Father in heaven. 1665 The remarriage of persons divorced from a living, lawful spouse contravenes Money, politics, even a priest, does not belong in a marriage. I noticed there were no laws for the catholic church concerning the marriage license and the government. Being Quaker, I believe that god can speak to each person’s heart individually, and help us to understand the spirit rather than the letter of the law. Marriage in the Bible and today and throughout all time and in all cultures (with some variation), was a cultural, societal, and legal (in each of these societies) way to solemnize the union of man and woman. It does however clearly say that premarital sex is sin (Ephesians 5:3, 1 Corinthians 6:18, Proverbs 5:15-19). However, someone having a tendency to be gay (for ANY reason) does not give that person justification to accept those feelings and decide to live in sin. I believe it has been shown (if not officially, it certainly makes sense) that two people living together in one house/apartment can live more cheaply/frugally than two people living in separate dwellings, since there would be only one set of mortgage/rent and utilities (and possibly other expenses), instead of two. Though I do think it will be good for you to “clear your head” by refraining from sex; I see a cause for alarm in your previous statement about you committing to him for life on your first date, since there is almost no way that you could know enough about him to make such a serious commitment, and by so doing, you have likely blinded yourself to things about him which you should be able to see. Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the kingdom of God.”, And 1 Corinthians 6:13b, 18 tells us, “Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. The only reason I can think of not to get legally married if you can, is out of stubbornness or rebellion, neither of which attributes are praised in the Bible. Surely the “burning” and “fornication” here are not referring merely to homosexual proclivities nor to tendencies towards bestiality, but in the normal human “urge to merge” — the desire to have sex with a member of the opposite sex. To establish a ‘common law’ marriage (which in this case the common law is derived from Biblical law) all a couple needs to do is be consensual to the marriage (both agree to be husband and wife) and then live that out. church and to provide for the man and the woman in marriage the framework for The issue is always *the heart* – not just “are your actions conforming to the mind and will of God”, but “are your thoughts and desires conforming to God’s standards?” So, it seems to me that in setting up this financial situation as being some sort of good-enough reason for them not to obey the clear commands of Scripture (only married people should act like they’re married), they are putting money ahead of God, or to put it in Biblical/KJV language, attempting to “serve God and mammon,” which cannot work out well. Some people have a special calling to be totally sold out to ministry and that is fine. A couple of hypothetical situations may help to clear up the matter: 1) If they had never been married to each other but came to you with this same question (live together w/o being legally married for the financial benefits), would you agree to it? surrounded them (Deuteronomy 7:1-4), and the apostle Paul advised Christians to Is it a sin for a man and woman be intimate without getting married? If you truly have accepted Christ as your Lord and Savior, then you should not still be ruled by your flesh! Much better to get married, even if it is just a simple affair that costs at most a couple hundred dollars, appearing before the judge or justice of the peace or preacher and making vows and getting the marriage license/certificate, than to live together without marriage so you can have a big wedding and reception that you don’t need and can’t afford. Mary got pregnant before marriage, even though they were engaged and were referred to as husband and wife, and Jesus was accused of having been born of fornication — though they were engaged and *almost* married, it still would have been considered fornication had they had sex. That’s what I believe . God still loves us and will forgive us, but we might feel too ashamed to go to God in prayer. the laws of the land? boredom, sexual desires, desire for happiness or other reasons are not Biblical God, speaks and guides all in His own time, not this worlds. Is it possible for you to move to a place where there is more job opportunity (for you and for her)? However, Paul was writing about the case where a couple has separated but have I think if that I were to express the views which I have shared with you. 9:5, Mark 6:6-10). Those that would insert the Bible into this debate would do well to … Matthew 19:3-9). Proverb 6:27 asks the question: “Can a man take fire to his bosom and his clothes not be burned?”. From The Book of Discipline of The United Methodist Church - 2000. I would say that by looking at the world today, with its loose sexual morals, we can see that it is not just sensible but immoral to have the sort of “anything goes” sexual atmosphere that we currently have. Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have : for he hath said , I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. Therefore I do have one additional question I’d like your insight on. The first “wedding ceremony” was when God married Adam and Eve, and that is to be our model — not necessarily the words, but what those words *mean* — that a man and a woman will come together and become “one flesh.” In a sense, this happens with sex, and also two different people producing literally “one flesh” in the form of offspring; but in another sense, it is the couple acting as one unit. Fornication does mean NO SEX before marriage. You’re right that the Bible can be misinterpreted in many ways, but that does not mean having Bible-only arguments is futile. It just means that most people who make such arguments are misled, perhaps willfully so, and it puts the onus on us (as their hearers/readers) and them (as the speakers/writers) to be more diligent to “search the Scriptures to see if these things be so.” There is a Bible study group whose motto is “Never read a Bible verse,” and by that, they don’t mean, “Don’t read your Bible at all,” but rather, “Don’t read just one verse of the Bible w/o considering the context.” What happens is that sinful man accidentally or deliberately twists the reading of the Bible to conform to his preconceived notions, rather than conforming his ideas to what the Bible says; this is easier if one reads verses, or parts of verses, in isolation. the custody of minor children and support the consideration of either or both I am think they wouldn’t be sining in the eyes of the lord, if they had sexual relations. Is it wrong to date or marry someone of a different Professional counseling may help resolve The couple can establish their marriage without any third-party involvement. But when you look at the Bible, you see a variety of different marriage ceremonies (or lack thereof) — Isaac married Rebekah by taking her into his mother’s tent; Jacob married Leah and Rachel with a week-long feast; Joseph and Mary were engaged for some time before they were married. Fornication and sexual immorality does not mean having sex before marriage. Is it a sin to divorce if we don't love each other any ps, I think that what you’re saying about not reading bible verses in isolation, but rather in context, is really important. Therefore They still have a sexual relationship, are devoted to one another, but do not want to get legally married again because of the tax reasons mentioned above, specifically, something about her college fees? Church, it is fitting that its celebration be public, in the framework of a . The law does not violate one of God’s commandments, so you flout it at your peril. God has joined together; the refusal of fertility turns married life away from Plus, God specifically warns kings against having many wives. If sleeping with someone makes you married to that person, why did he need his father to secure her as his wife? However, The Bible never says you should get married, but that marriage is good:Whoso findeth a wife findeth a good thing, and obtaineth favour of the LORD. I doubt that, but even if that is the case, again, so what? Your situation is one that makes me irritated with our government. Later there are passages that say not to commit fornication or sexual immorality – which are sexual acts not condoned by God like homosexuality and beastiality. If we lived in a culture when a union was considered a legal marriage if the father walked his daughter to a man’s house and literally “gave him her hand” as a symbol of their union, then I’d be fine with considering that a legal marriage. What does the Bible say? have different procedures for formally ending the marriage. ), and to have the union accepted by all of society. Every verse in the Bible that speaks positively of sex speaks only of a married relationship (i.e., one man and one woman); and every verse that speaks of any sexual relationship outside of marriage (including sex when neither partner is married, sex in which one partner is cheating on his/her spouse, bestiality, and homosexuality) speaks negatively of it at best and roundly condemns it at worst. THIS SEEMS AN INCREDIBLE STATEMENT. Most do not There is no indication in the Bible that we are predestined to marry a certain Please tell me what the scripture states. Just one that puts him as first in your marriage. 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